The Myth of the Burning Garbage Dump of Gehenna, http://www.afterlife.co.nz/2012/featured-article/tracing-the-road-to-gehenna/, Universalism and The Reality of Eternal Punishment: The Biblical Basis of the Doctrine of Eternal Punishment, https://www.google.com/maps/@31.7686626,35.2333475,3a,56.6y,328.92h,103.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szm6A_bN1OCNC7ikOFCcVTw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656. But when the burning occured in such a valley, it left "dead bodies" for which the worms feasted on after the fire has destroyed them. These cookies will be stored in your browser only with your consent. Gehenna was, in fact, an incinerating garbage dump just outside the walls of Jerusalem. “With the common sense which often characterizes Jewish commentators, Kimchi says that the place was the dump of the city, where fires were always kept burning to destroy the refuse; ‘therefore the judgment of the wicked is parabolically … There is no way shape or form that you can make Jude utter universalist theology. And he mentions those who would go from where he himself was to the other side where the torment was FIRST. For the whole reason for Golgotha -- for the sacrifice and resurrection of Jesus – was to save life -- your life -- from Gehenna, the garbage, the waste, the futility of life. No one. Paul is not only full of your verses but also full of admonition that salvation through grace doesn't mean a free ride for everybody. He implies that Hebrews 9:27-28 teaches this: “Jesus died a physical death. In times of war, decaying human flesh mingled with the rotting garbage—imagine the vile vision. Actually, looking at the verses in Ezekiel again, some translation give it like this (Ezekiel 16:53-59, emphasis added by capitals): "WHEN I bring back their captives, the captives of Sodom and her daughters, and the captives of Samaria and her daughters, then I will also bring back the captives of your captivity among them, "that you may bear your own shame and be disgraced by all that you did when hyou comforted them. (v.23), "Who is it that is going to go out of the city and look at the worm-eaten, burning bodies?". The parables all imply that the judgement is final, because "the door was locked" – it is an unfounded assumption on your part that it would be opened again. After all, Samaria did not return either but found successors that, though unconneceted with the northern kingdom, called themselves Samaritans. The gulf represents the uncrossable separation – it is not meant to keep the saved from going over there because they have no reason to do so, as they are with God and His people. The people in the surrounding areas dumped their trash in Gehenna, where it burned day and night. Gehenna refers to the "Valley of Hinnom", which was a garbage dump outside of Jerusalem. He claims they are already undergoing it. It is never connected to any words denoting the length of time it is to be inflicted. Murder…freaking…hornets. There are plenty of parallel verses that teach the salvation of all that must be explained away if you want to cling to a doctrine of eternal torture. A longer one, written by Sinclair Ferguson: Universalism and The Reality of Eternal Punishment: The Biblical Basis of the Doctrine of Eternal Punishment. Romans 11:32 For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all. You are right about the two Gregory's too. The only exception was the 5th Ecumenical Council (around 550), which posthumously condemned not just (some or all) teachings of Theodorus and of Origen but condemned them personally. It is a reasonable deduction that there would be a dump and also reasonable that sometimes it would be alite and bodies throw there for shame. You are also disrespectful towards the damned – it is one thing, as God does, to give them their just deserts, but quite another to simply blot them out from existence and pretend everything's fine. Tag: Gehenna. I brought up a similar situation in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus. Outside some cities today, we do see dumps of garbage which burn continuously. Add to that the teaching of the church since the earliest days. if you use the NIV version of the Bible the words "and shut out" are not in the Greek, rather just the preposition "from"). “With the common sense which often characterizes Jewish commentators, Kimhi says that the place was the dump of the city, where fires were always kept burning to destroy the refuse; ‘therefore the judgment of the wicked is parabolically called Gehenna.’ But from the Biblical references the place appears to have nothing physically objectionable about it; in contrast to its contemporary condition Jeremiah prophesied that it would one day be called ‘Valley of Slaughter’” (“The Holy City and Gehenna,” JBL 27/1 [1908], 34). Eternal life doesn't mean that there is no time just as it doesn't mean there is no space. "Six seminaries" did not exist. Ezekiel indeed prophesies that Sodom, Samaria and Juda would return to their former state. Thanks for posting. Put simply, there is no evidence that the valley was, in fact, a perpetually burning garbage dump. The thing is, that as the "aion" during which the punishment takes place is coming to an end,DEATH WILL BE SWALLOWED UP BY LIFE! Almost every major commentary on Matthew that mentions Gehenna also spoke of the garbage dump. No council ever decreed whether someone was a "Christian". But that doesn't meant that only the "devil gets saved in the end" was condemned. and rules called canons. Everlasting is only aionios in Greek, so that everlasting hell becomes only age-during garbage dump, the age being not 2011 but just AD 70. Jeremiah is explicit that such occurred here: Jeremiah 7:31–32 (ESV) — And they have built the high places of Topheth, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, which I did not command, nor did it come into my mind. It was a dumping ground for the city’s waste. In the other dozen or so, to get the idea of "eternal" you have to read it into the words "aion" and "aionian". City officials occasionally sought to get rid of the garbage and also cover the stench by igniting the refuse on fire. And nowhere did either Christ or any Apostle ever teach that. The topic of hell in Christianity always seems to be on people’s radar. Why consider them 'saints'? Again, the torment is the separation. (the Romans emphasized justice and were very PROUD of their legal system) I had heard sermons for 40 years, had read the bible cover to cover several times, went to bible studies, listened to countless teaching tapes, and in all that time no one, myself included, noticed any contradiction between Jude 1:7 and Ezekiel 16:55. It smoldered there beneath the surface, incinerating the rotting, smelly garbage. Specifically, Bailey states: [Kimchi] maintained that in this loathsome valley fires were kept burning perpetually to consume the filth and cadavers thrown into it. UPDATE (4/29): The views of various scholars on the matter is presented in a new post. Maybe you guys think you are as smart as our all knowing all seeing creator. Explore the mistranslations and actual meanings of eternal and hell (aion, gehenna/hades/tartaroo/sheol). "Are you referring to Origen? "Worms" in Isaiah 66:24 is towlah, and Gesenius notes that this word is especially used to denote worms that feed on FLESH, although it is also used to talk about worms in bread and the worm that killed Jonah's shade plant. 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In fact, near as anyone can tell, the earliest mention we have of this theory comes a Rabbi named David Kimhi who wrote a commentary on Psalm 27 in the 13th Century. Councils made positive definition of faith (e.g. 24 “And they will go out and look upon the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind.”, "If it was clearly taught in scripture, why was no council convened to condemn the heresy of universal salvation …". It later became a garbage dump with a continuous burning of trash. And so realize: Jesus wants to save life -- your life -- from the waste and futility of life. You first have to make the text fit your interpretation. Not necessarily. That’s it. Advanced Search. This website uses cookies to improve your experience while you navigate through the website. Jesus used this term. He does not say say that Sodom underwent "punishment of eternal fire" but that Sodom is an example for those that will. Only the latter is grounds for personal condemnation. People also ignore the context of what Jesus is talking about. And why should it? Which brings us back to our starting point: it is eternal for good and bad or age-enduring for both, not this for one and that for another. All in all it points to a figurative description rather than a literal. Therefore, it was used Biblically, to illustrate the abode of the damned in Christian and Jewish theology. If not there, where? They assume there is some infernal region, either within the earth, as Dante said, or … “Well before the time of Jesus, the valley was also used as a refuse heap. And speaking of context, you are ignoring the context that Jesus is alluding to in this passage, and that is Isaiah 66:23-24. The material burned there included … [Are you serious? It is possible to use a word, like aionian, to make a statement of fact, without being forced to use it as a statement of limitation. They ignore the nature of both worms and fire to protect their doctrine of an eternal hell. It is never used by Jesus, and is only found in three places in the new testament, Acts 22:5 and 26:11 where Paul is talking about his 'punishment' of Christians before his conversion, and in Hebrews 10:29 where the context again is between those who adhere to the old covenant in opposition to the new, only this time the tables are turned. You simply over-reading certain passages. … goes as far as saying the devil would one day be repentant and saved.". If this parable is supposed to teach anything about punishment in the afterlife, you would think that this gulf would not be necessary. PS. "Even when the term "aionian" is applied to God Himself, this does not mean it is describing Him as eternal. "In any case, Gregory Naziznen was allowed to preside over that council.". activies, not statements of faith). Gehenna was a smoldering, smoky valley at the edge of Jerusalem filled with garbage, the refuse that no one needed or wanted, the rotting, unclean, smelly stuff which culture, tradition and the human nose had declared unwelcome to the point of getting rid of it. The valley was the scene of human sacrifices, burned in the worship of Moloch (2 Kings 16:3 and 21:6), which accounts for the prophecy of Jeremiah that it would be called the Valley of Slaughter under judgment of God (Jer. Mk. This passage appears to me about the situation immediately after God's victory, so it is surely not placed during a time when the New Jerusalem has already been established for a long time. Todd, capital punishment also qualifies as eternal punishment. Those who WOULD. It says it is "not quenched". All who accept it. The 'flesh' is also the context of what Isaiah 66:24 is dealing with. It is clear: Gehenna is hell, not a trash dump. And, Christ's wonderful promise into banality? As for Mark 9:44, if you look at Isaiah 66:24 you will see it is bodies that are being eaten by 'worms' and fire. The moth does die. Where are you getting this? New garbage was piled on top of the old decaying garbage: rotting fish, slimy vegetation, decaying human refuse of every imaginable sort. oh my. How does this work? He quotes: Edward Robinson, preeminent explorer of the Holy Land beginning in 1838. Will those who survive not be able to believe that they are really safe until they go out and look at the corpses of those who persecuted them and cast them out? It is amazing how putting on the legalistic "glasses" that came into the church from the Latin converts can blind people to verses that out to stop them in their tracks and make them wonder "What is going on here?". 23 From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me,” says the LORD. The wonderful promise that is "You lot will experience everlasting happiness while the rest of the world suffers unimaginable torment for eternity"? "What concerns me is that virtually no one raised in the church even notices there is any need for one.". "Why the need for a gulf to keep those in Abraham's bosom from going to the other side where there was torment?". At least there is no evidence of any other fires having been kept up in the valley; as has sometimes been supposed” (Biblical Researches, vol. Even when the term "aionian" is applied to God Himself, this does not mean it is describing Him as eternal. I have seen one in Chennai. Indeed, there is no reason to search further for ancient burning piles of discarded newspapers, product packaging, and junk mail. But no matter what they eat, do not die, THEY LEAVE WHAT THEY ARE EATING TO BECOME A FLY OR MOTH. The rest of the world will not "suffers unimaginable torment for eternity" – the world will be with God, whose judgement is just, even in regard to the damned. Neither says anything about eternal punishment being only temporary. Famine. In Jesus day, only that which was dead and unfeeling was burned there. And why should it? This category only includes cookies that ensures basic functionalities and security features of the website. One should also remember that archeology developers it's conclusions from the remains of history and of necessity because of the often small amount found makes wrong conclusions. Jerome is one, Christ may be another. Out of six major "seminaries" in the early church, four taught universal salvation, one taught annihilation (Ephesus)and one taught eternal punishment (Rome). (v.23). Why should it end? It is not difficult to see, from these and other texts (e.g., 2 Kgs 23:10; 2 Chr 28:3, 33:6; Jer 32:35), why Jesus and his contemporaries used the word Gehenna (“valley of Hinnom”) as synonymous with the place of everlasting fiery torment. Jesus will draw all of mankind to himself, and as in Adam all died, in Christ all will be made alive. "the worm never dies" – how do you turn never into "sometime in the future"? But you are faking compassion – you don't want the damned to suffer but have no problem with seeing them dead. Even if they are used to describe God as "the aionian God" they do not have to mean eternal. The fire never went out. And as far as Rabbi Kimhi goes, note that even he stated the alleged dump of Gehenna became an analogy for the judgment of the wicked, which demonstrates that even the first writer to make this connection saw it to be an analogy for the place that the wicked will be judged. The nature of the massive amount of garbage concentrated at this site suggests the presence of an established, citywide garbage disposal operation that included the development of a specialized mode of collection and transportation to the top of the slope (a convoy of donkeys hauled the waste), the deliberate disposal of the garbage down the slope, setting the garbage on fire, and burying the … She offers the following highly imaginative description of this burning refuse heap, which serves as a nice, detailed amalgamation of all the descriptions I’ve heard of it over the years. Of course you must look towards anti-Origenists to find out about that, not admirers of the man who swept his errors (with which they didn't agree) under the carpet like Eusebius or Rufinus. Todd Bolen, in an article about the significance of Gehenna in the New Testament, claimed that it represents “the place of everlasting fiery torment.” He suggested that the idea that Gehenna was a garbage dump with fires continually burning, has little or no archeological nor literary evidence to support it. Why should anyone want to go out when God and all his people and everything good is inside.]. And can we actualle be cartain about the identity of Sodom and her daughters? True enough. And again, the worms and fire are figurative – the real "punishment" (actually not so much a punishment but the consquence of one's decision) is having missed the last opportunity to be part of God's kingdom. Jude 1:7 – "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the VENGEANCE OF ETERNAL FIRE. Also, to pin this on one word is a common folly. Second, the whole passage is disproportionate – that is the point: that Christ rejects a minimal, just-barely-pass morality but rather sets a very high standard to his followers. 129-30), There’s only one problem. But, I agree, that Universalists play the "eternal is not always time" hand way too much! Which brings us back to our starting point: it is eternal for good and bad or age-enduring for both, not this for one and that for another.]. Even the bodies of dead animals and unburied criminals were brought here. must be explained away if you want to cling to a doctrine of eternal torture. Gehenna: The Garbage Dump Gehenna (translated as Hell) was the place outside of the old city of Jerusalem called the Valley of Hinnon where waste was dumped; not only trash and garbage were disposed of there, but also corpses of humans and animals were burnt in the dump. Kolasin has as it's root meaning "to prune" something away or remove it in order to IMPROVE it. First, you still seem to think you are in a position to lecture Christ on how to conduct his affairs. I can use the common meaning of words in scripture. Jesus actually talked of kolasis aionian – temporary correction/discipline. As for the lost, per words of Jesus and apostles, they will die (wages of sin)/be destroyed/perish. Worms and fire normally die and go out (no need for nitpicking about how going out is not being quenched) – this is why Jesus raises the point that these worms and this fire (which is obviously figurative language) do NOT DIE and do NOT GO OUT. So you don't want to "blot them out", you want to "reconcile all" – but again this is just utter disrespect to human beings and their free will, which in turn is a denial of the opportunity to love. The people in the surrounding areas dumped their trash in Gehenna, where it burned day and night. the creed), negative condemnations ("Whosover says …. So your attitude "If the Lord had wanted to communicate this" is not only arrogant towards him (he chose his words as he saw fit, not you) but also false: he did clearly communicate this. Marcos – you're welcome to reject the doctrine of eternal torment, but don't pretend that this blogpost or the Bible gives any support to your view. If it is Isaiah, then you cannot take this prophet to invalidate what Christ himself taught. Two different thoughts on the Matthew verse. Kent – thank you for your comment. I had no idea that the Old Testament provides ample evidence for why the New Testament associates Gehenna with the abode of the damned. http://www.afterlife.co.nz/2012/featured-article/tracing-the-road-to-gehenna/ An article looking at Gehenna in the OT and why Jesus may have chosen to use this word. I'm sure there will come forth a brilliant solution to this apparent contradiction that will make it disappear. "The God of the Eons" is a statement of fact, not of limitation. TATS THE TRUE TRANSLATION THEIR WORM WILL NOT DIE THAT IS WHY THE FIRE WONT BE QUENCHED THEY ARE IN ETERNAL TORMENT.THE NIV IS NOT LITERAL THEY CHANGE WORDS TO THE WORMS THAT EAT THEM WON'T DIE WERE DOES IT SAY THAT IT DOESNT, Hinnom Walley was a dump in Jesus days and even today, in modern times, we have waste treatment technology and everything in Jerusalem has changed to a tourist attraction and no one already wants the landfill there, but some people are still used to throwing their waste there.https://www.google.com/maps/@31.7686626,35.2333475,3a,56.6y,328.92h,103.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szm6A_bN1OCNC7ikOFCcVTw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656. And that's probably what Jerome is after, distinguishing between this end-less but not time-less eternity and the God's eternity without such constraints, wihtout beginning or end. Everything is all tied together in one. It should be noted, however, as some have, that … Priyanka Thirumurthy describes the Chennai garbage dump for us: ‘Standing there on 228 … I’ve always thought that this was an established fact. Purchasers of the Photo Companion to the Bible and the Pictorial Library of Bible Lands are granted liberal usage rights for the images for personal and educational purposes. Are you referring to Origen? (And note: it's a parable, a story with a lesson, not necessarily a description of actual conditions in the after-life, especially when you become too technical. The breath of the Lord, like a torrent of brimstone, kindles it. [Jude uses the fate of Sodom as recounted in Genesis as a type of divine punishment. Nonetheless, despite the details of II Kings 21 & 23 and II Chronicles 33 noting Manasseh’s sins and Josiah’s reforms and the judgments of Jeremiah (chs. The case may have been overstated, but may not be completely wrong. Christian. ] way shape or form that you got something out the! 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